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when you first notice these and I think

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you said it was on November 10th and you

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were seeing them in clusters of about

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five to ten at a time and then

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ultimately used November 14th that

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flavor encounters them correct that's

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correct yeah were you seeing them on the

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10th through the 13th engaging in kind

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of bizarre man maneuvers or were they

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just hovering out there yeah that was

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bizarre in the in the sense that they

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were in in a loose very loosely formed

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groups of five to ten each and then

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weird thing about it Jim is they were at

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28,000 feet going about a hundred knots

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which is really really a really slow

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bizarrely slow for that altitude usually

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something that high in the sky going

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that slowly is gonna fall out of this

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guy's dead so that that that was bizarre

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yes but they did they did not perform

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any strange rather than that other than

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their slow movement they did not perform

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any strange movers and did they appear

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to be in a particular formation or are

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always reappearing in the same type of

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formation well if I could describe it my

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fact I've got snow on the ground here in

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Oregon it you could look at snow falling

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from the sky and a calm winter days

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that's kind of the way they look like on

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the scope they're just in loose groups

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two four or five they maintain their

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relative position to each other and

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we're just tracking really really slowly

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from Catalina Island down to an island

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off the coast of Baja California where I

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was noticing they were all disappearing

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of my radar at that point and referring

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to their speed I mean I guess obviously

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a helicopter can go at that speed right

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certain water or a drone theoretically

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could mm-hmm

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but normal jet propulsion aircraft could

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not travel that slowly

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that's my knowledge and it wasn't until

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flavor intercepts them that the that

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they first exhibited this ability to go

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at supersonic speeds yeah in in that

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moment it was on the 14th

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getting ready to we're getting ready to

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launch a big air defense exercise we

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call them a Texas in a cap Smith comes

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down to combat Information Center I call

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it CIC and I said hey sir you know we've

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been tracking these anomalous objects to

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no one in the strike group knows what

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the hell they are

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and we're getting ready to launch a

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bunch of aircraft not only off the

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Nimitz but off San Diego too

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we're gonna do this big Macher battle in

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the sky now these objects are in our

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airspace and I'm very concerned for

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safety of flight and I really recommend

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that we intercept one and see what see

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what it is see if it's something we need

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to be concerned about it's like you know

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what seriously if you're right pick one

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and go intercept it and command a favor

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just happened to be airborne and the e-2

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Hawkeye the big radar everywhere and

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radar system we have didn't have a very

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good a track on them so we took control

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we vectored flavor up that way it was a

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fast Eagle flight and he gets to that

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position and this guy we call it a

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merged plot is what a merge plot means

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is two objects in the same vertical

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piece of sky and if you look at on a

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two-dimensional display now it looks

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like one object they've merged together

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not necessarily at the same altitude it

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just means they're in the same vertical

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piece of sky he gets there we have the

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cop his comms and the overhead speaker

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I'm in CSC and he also news he starts

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yelling oh my god oh my god I'm engaged

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I'm engaged and I'm I look back in the

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scope and that object that he had

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intercepted dropped from 28,000 feet

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down to the surface of the ocean in less

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than a second yeah I heard you describe

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that before and it was interesting to

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hear what he means by engagements

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describe that again for me because I may

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have a I've never really liked that word

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very much because a lot of people that

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don't know think that we're shooting

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each other and it simply doesn't mean

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that it simply means that we're in a

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non-shooting dogfight essentially you're

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turning on me and I'm turning on you and

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so is that what flavour was talking

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about that that they were they were

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mirroring each other that's what he was

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talking about he he went chasing that he

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left his wingman up at altitude and

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commander flavor chases his object down

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to the water because he's really curious

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of what it is and this thing notices him

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it's aware of him it turns on him and

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turning on it and it starts turning back

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on him and they actually for lack of a

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better way to say I guess they did a

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barrel roll around each other and next

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thing you know this excuse me this

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object goes from his position there to a

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point of about sixty miles away in a

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couple of seconds right that two point

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in the sky that's called a combat air

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patrol station which is really nothing

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more than just a notional point this guy

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that we populate and it's just a hangout

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spot for the air crews until they get a

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mission or a vector they just kind of

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turn lazy circles in the sky right there

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but we don't know and I don't know and I

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don't think anyone knows how this object

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knew where that point was and not in gym

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it not only in the latitude and

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longitude but actually at the right

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altitude as well when did you talk to

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stay there did you talk to Harvard

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Hubbard did you talk to him when he got

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back to the boat I guess he got back to

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the Nimitz yeah he went back to the

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Nimitz of course I was on the USS

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Princeton and I did talk to commander

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forever we had a kind of a

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lessons-learned meeting and when we got

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back to San Diego and I went up to and

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reminded of who I was and you know

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basically asked him what he saw so I did

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have a chance to speak with him a little

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bit but since that time since 2004 I

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haven't spoken a single word to

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commander favor and in that conversation

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did he describe to you what he saw yeah

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he was like if I could describe it it

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looked like about the same length of my

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f-18 Super Hornet which is about 47 feet

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it had no doors no windows no ailerons

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no obvious means of propulsion it was

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pure white and in fact it looked like a

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big giant to cat candy mint is what he

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told me sososo favor was perhaps the

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first to identify it as a tic-tac which

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we all now refer to it as I you know I

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long thought that but apparently uh

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another pilots but it actually shot the

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FLIR video the FLIR one video

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his name's Chad Underwood he I guess he

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gets credit for calling first calling it

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the tic-tac and how would you describe

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flavors mentality at that time when I

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saw him in person

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I think he was um I think we were all

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just incredulous we didn't know what the

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hell to think I had never seen anything

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like this I you know even when they were

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going high and slow and there had never

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seen anything like this and after his

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intercept that happened Jim I have to

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tell you the man I was pretty damn

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convinced we were looking at something

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definitely non-newtonian it wasn't

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obeying the laws of physics that I

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studied in high school in college it was

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I mean that thing didn't it it went from

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20,000 feet down to about 50 feet off

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the water and did not make a sonic boom

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and it did it and I found out the next

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day 0.78 seconds that should have made a

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land al very loud damn boom and it just

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didn't do that I knew I wouldn't have

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necessarily heard it on the ship that's

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you know 60 miles away or so that none

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of the air crews reported hearing a

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sonic boom either in their tongue no

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they were they were right there with it

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tell me more about this lessons learned

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meeting who was in this meeting and what

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else was time you know whatever every

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time we come home when we do a post

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exercise meeting we we like to just talk

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shop basically and write down things

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that we could do better next time and

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things that happen in other words this

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meeting that we had was not about the

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you 80s at all it was just it was a

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scheduled meeting that we would have had

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anyway so it's just a document less than

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Florence so next time I go train we can

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do a little bit better

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were the you ApS brought up in the

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meeting

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almost immediately yeah because it was

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you know I was the one doing the

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presentation and everyone was looking at

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me like senior chief I could just read

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their faces so I I had to broach the

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subject and what about did you get

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descriptions from the other pilots of

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what they saw the only the only pilot

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that represented in that medium was

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there was two of them there I believe

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commander flavor and uh one of his

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shipmates from the squadron and they

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were both talking about the same the

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same types of things that how those are

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it was so so you set them out there to

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inspect because they're about to do

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these exercises my question is did they

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end up doing the exercises

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no we we ended up actually canceling the

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exercise because these objects were

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Innerspace now and it were they were

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maneuvering behaving extremely bizarrely

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so we just didn't feel safe flying

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aircraft in the same piece of sky with

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them Wow

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so for how many days did they hold off

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on the exercises we never we never did

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do it and ultimately to the Nimitz

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deploy is that months later this was

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actually a part of our training was part

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of our training cycle and they and when

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the ship got back to San Diego in later

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that December when we fund went back to

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San Diego actually transferred from the

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ship so I didn't I didn't go on

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deployment with them but it was a

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several months later and they did go on

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deployment so that's that's pretty

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interesting though that the exercises

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were canceled so what season do you

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think that was my recommendation to the

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captain and the cab making a call and it

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was all based on safety of flight if I

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could if I could describe Navy training

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in a single word it would be safety

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mm-hmm but that's pretty significant

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right I mean these things don't get

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canceled very often I would imagine not

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very often oh so you heard him say oh my

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god oh my god I mean I'm engaged I'm

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it was pretty you know there are air air

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control communications are pretty

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structured well in fact we won't hardly

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say anything on the radio I mean until

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it's time to so the pilots you know they

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can they're trying to prosecute an air

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war so they don't want a guy chatting in

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their ear so it was pretty quiet on the

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radio actually so the fact that he said

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anything is significant is that fair to

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say it's unusual for them to be talking

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like that yeah and I was a I was

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actually in a position of air control

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supervisor so the actual air controller

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who has not come forward yet I'm not

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gonna throw him under the bus but I was

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standing right beside him with a long

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headset on with a long cord long corded

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headset and he was actually given what

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we call Berrien range altitude

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they're called brach calls and that was

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basically the only comms on and when

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there have been go ahead would there

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have been a recording of that absolutely

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in fact this is kind of where it gets

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the Czar because there's that some of my

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other shipmates that come out and said

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that people came on board our ships and

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took our data you know and I have to

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tell you Jim when this was all happening

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that was not my situational awareness at

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all I was not aware of that but I can

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help

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I can't corroborate it because the next

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morning I didn't know what the hell to

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do that captain had bizarrely shown a

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real strange in curiousness about this

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whole thing

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you know I wanted to write it after

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actually message because I'm the guy

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that writes most of those types of

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messages so I went up to combat and I

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was gonna pull up the voice recordings

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that it recorded the optical disk so

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that I would have something to make a

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message from and all the optic all the

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voice recorders were missing they were

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all gone yeah and the weird thing is the

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technicians standing there and I could

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tell by looking at it I could tell by

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looking at him that he had probably knew

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what happened to it but I also knew

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enough not to ask him because he

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couldn't tell me I could I could tell it

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was that but my experience cooperates

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was that for he's no it was actually his

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supervisor okay I'm not gonna mention

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the name because it hasn't come out

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publicly now you are mentioning the name

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Captain Smith tell me who Captain Smith

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is Captain Smith is the he was an air

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defense commander from the Nimitz trade

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group and he was the commanding officer

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of the USS Princeton what's his first

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name captain are you are you saying me

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because you're protecting his identity

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or yeah he hasn't really come out yet

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either but it's a it's a matter of

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public record who was a captain of this

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ship it's kind of hard for him to hide

329
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as far as I know he has never come out

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you know

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said a single word about this whole

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thing and you're saying that he showed a

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surprising lack of curiosity in what was

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encountered is that correct yes

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I have to say that's true yes and what's

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your theory on that I asked him

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point-blank I said hey sir uh no one has

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an idea of what these things could be

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what do you think and he looks at me

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quite seriously he says I I don't know

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maybe spontaneously forming ice from

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outer space is what he said joke yeah an

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axe and I actually laughed rightness

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like I was like oh [\h__\h] I just left it

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the captain did he let me get away with

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it I guess and I went about I went on

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about my way just kind of shaking my

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head I could this was not spontaneously

349
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forming ice let me tell you that and who

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did he report to can you hear me

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yeah audio problems because it's gonna

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drop it don't by accident I accidentally

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hit the mute button oh good okay okay

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who did Captain Smith report to the

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Admiral on that on the USS Nimitz who

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actually according to what commander

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flavor has have been saying all along

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also displayed an unusual in curiousness

359
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about this whole thing refused to do

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anything about it

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according to commander favor mm-hmm so

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do you have a belief as to why the

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Admiral and the captain were not more

364
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interested in in this you know Jim I

365
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thought so much about this question

366
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people ask me all the time hey Kevin

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what what were these things and to this

368
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moment I don't know you know I don't

369
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know and that's the God's honest truth

370
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my mind is open about it and because

371
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these things never once displayed any

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type of hostile are still at ease to us

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if I could describe their behavior Jim

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it was like um throwing a rock into a

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flock of birds on the ground and they

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scatter and then they rejoin as a group

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and they go on about their merry way

378
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that's exactly how these things behaved

379
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they just wanted to go from point A to

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point B and for us to leave him the hell

381
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had you ever encountered you ApS of any

382
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type before never and and what about

383
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since never so I think it's interesting

384
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very interesting obviously as we try to

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figure out what this is the fact that

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the Admiral and the captain were not

387
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more curious about it because it for me

388
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that tennis appointment in the direction

389
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of this possibly being us technology

390
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that they were in the know on that

391
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others were not so only at a certain

392
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level were they informed as to what this

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is it certainly points that way doesn't

394
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it and I can't deny that the the logic

395
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of that at all

396
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and I have to tell you in if that

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becomes the case I'm gonna be kind of

398
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upset about it I mean I might I don't

399
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have any intention to make it a big

400
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stink about it but is this who it really

401
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bugged me because earlier when I

402
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described our training who described a

403
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single word of safety and I designed

404
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exercises for a living this is what I

405
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did for a living right if our son

406
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another entity another part of

407
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government that come come onto my

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exercise and layer another test or

409
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exercise on top of it that's potentially

410
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dangerous and I don't know about it

411
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that's not a good thing in fact it's

412
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probably even illegal well if the

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Admiral was in on it

414
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and the captain was in on it then that

415
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would be a level of knowledge at least

416
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you know in according to the Air Force

417
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intelligence specialists who came on our

418
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show miked herb or he said it was the it

419
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was actually the air force that was

420
00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:13,380
testing the technology I can't I can't

421
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argue with your logic on this at all it

422
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would obviously be incredible new US

423
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technology yeah you know where the hell

424
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is it I mean that could solve a lot of

425
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problems couldn't it if we had this step

426
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I mean it could create a lot of problems

427
00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:36,900
don't get me wrong I mean that type of

428
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thing getting into the wrong hands it's

429
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pretty disconcerting to a guy like me

430
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but on the other hand think just the

431
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environmental the environment alone who

432
00:17:51,769 --> 00:17:49,590
can benefit from something like this

433
00:17:53,690 --> 00:17:51,779
we're not burning fossil fuels anymore

434
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have you seen though like some those

435
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Navy patents that were issued in the

436
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last couple of years that I have seen

437
00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:02,100
I've seen them online but there's a lot

438
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of physicists out there kind of poopoo

439
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:06,960
in the drains saying they're bogus that

440
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wouldn't work I mean there's people on

441
00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:13,080
both sides of the fence on that yeah

442
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well it seems bizarre that the Navy

443
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would have these patents be public if we

444
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really had this type of technology so it

445
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appears that it could be some type of

446
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disinformation campaign but it's

447
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certainly I'm no scientist but when I

448
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read it it kind of makes sense and

449
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there's a long history of research on

450
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anti-gravity technology so in

451
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considering the amount of money we spend

452
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on black projects every year you know

453
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I've heard numbers like over 30 billion

454
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dollars every year for decades Wow it's

455
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got it's got a result in something yeah

456
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we hope so that's a lot of money so what

457
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so what about testing you know for

458
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instance testing your radar system is

459
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that something that the military does

460
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yeah and another theory that I private

461
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theory and I'm gonna speculate here a

462
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little bit you know I only had a secret

463
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clearance and there's lots of security

464
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clearances above what I had and

465
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apparently before the person had gotten

466
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underway for that training exercise we

467
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had received a major technology upgrade

468
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that I didn't know anything about and I

469
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think it's entirely possible that that

470
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technology upgrade suddenly allowed us

471
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to see these things in the sky I just

472
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think that's a possibility

473
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and it for me at least it goes it kind

474
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of points in the direction of why since

475
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2004 a lot of other ships have been

476
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seeing them too because now everyone has

477
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the technology that we had right but I'm

478
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speculating well um

479
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were you the first ship to get that as

480
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far as you know as far as I know yes and

481
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do you understand exactly what the

482
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upgrade and technology was I don't know

483
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but still classified at top-secret

484
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levels

485
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upgraded our ability to detect and track

486
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on the spy radar

487
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other than that I don't haven't even

488
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inquired about it because I knew I

489
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probably wouldn't get an answer what do

490
00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:15,720
you know about the use of phased array

491
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radar these days I believe it was turbot

492
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was telling us too that it's becoming

493
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more commonplace for it to be used in

494
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say even non-military circumstances or

495
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are you normally Asian yeah normal radar

496
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some the typical traditional radar would

497
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rotate that's why you get the bullets in

498
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the sweep of go around and rotate phase

499
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arrays looking in all directions all the

500
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time all at once

501
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and despite the spy-1 radar is actually

502
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a phased array radar system but you're

503
00:20:51,049 --> 00:20:48,720
absolutely right now the radar

504
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technology is probably in every military

505
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in the world by now at United some level

506
00:21:01,879 --> 00:20:56,340
and what about even for use and sayd

507
00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:01,889
commercial aircraft travel I don't know

508
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if it's being used there yet or not to

509
00:21:08,629 --> 00:21:06,960
be honest with you but the more this has

510
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put in place the more these things could

511
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be discovered theoretically absolutely

512
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but why wouldn't normally Adar pick them

513
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up it kind of goes back to the question

514
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of what the hell they were I mean these

515
00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:30,239
things um I hesitate to say it but these

516
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things actually seemed like they were

517
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alive

518
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the way they behaved they were

519
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definitely conscious and they were smart

520
00:21:41,479 --> 00:21:40,080
mm-hmm so you know believe me no I'm not

521
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trying to say that these were a living

522
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creatures at all I'm just trying to

523
00:21:46,869 --> 00:21:45,059
describe the way that they behaved they

524
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definitely behaved like a flock of birds

525
00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:53,759
and the question of what types of radars

526
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could track them really kind of depends

527
00:21:58,639 --> 00:21:56,340
on what the hell they are

528
00:22:02,029 --> 00:21:58,649
or did they made out of how did they

529
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:02,039
operate but certainly in all your years

530
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:05,210
of the military you never heard of any

531
00:22:11,989 --> 00:22:08,730
technology remotely similar to this that

532
00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:11,999
the US military had other than the spy-1

533
00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:16,310
radar no but as far as anything

534
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:18,230
similar to these tic tacs or anything of

535
00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:21,650
regarding oh you know you ip's yeah you

536
00:22:26,890 --> 00:22:24,460
a piece no I mean I've been I'm a

537
00:22:28,570 --> 00:22:26,900
longtime listener to coast to coast am

538
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I've always had our mature interest in

539
00:22:36,610 --> 00:22:32,600
this subject much like a lot of people

540
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most likely but in other words we never

541
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are training never once ever involved

542
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:44,750
the idea or the planning to be working

543
00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:48,650
around UFOs for example and that's one

544
00:22:52,510 --> 00:22:49,790
of the things that concerned me here

545
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:52,520
because what if what happened off the

546
00:22:59,380 --> 00:22:55,730
coast of San Diego in 2004 happen now

547
00:23:03,100 --> 00:22:59,390
today and the strike group happened to

548
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:03,110
be off of in a volatile situation let's

549
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:04,810
pick your country right and there's

550
00:23:09,130 --> 00:23:06,650
hostilities are right on the verge

551
00:23:10,750 --> 00:23:09,140
breaking out and all sudden when the UAP

552
00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:10,760
objects comes out one of our aircraft

553
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:14,300
and and she gets afraid and she shoots a

554
00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:17,330
Sidewinder missile which is a there's no

555
00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:20,510
radar support it's infrared only and the

556
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:22,790
UA P goes to UFO whatever you want to

557
00:23:25,930 --> 00:23:24,410
call it goes or tchen back up in the

558
00:23:27,450 --> 00:23:25,940
outer space and all sudden as missiles

559
00:23:30,820 --> 00:23:27,460
now looking for a new target

560
00:23:32,350 --> 00:23:30,830
yeah it just acquired a commercial

561
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:32,360
airliner and shoots another one of those

562
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:35,330
down I'm telling my brother I could

563
00:23:41,470 --> 00:23:38,510
start a war that's my concern about them

564
00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:41,480
but we we do need to start training to

565
00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:43,100
the reality that we have things in our

566
00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:45,800
skies that we don't know what it is and

567
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:47,870
if that's being done I'm very happy with

568
00:23:52,750 --> 00:23:50,320
my Navy right now I have to tell you

569
00:23:55,150 --> 00:23:52,760
have you communicated with any of the

570
00:23:58,090 --> 00:23:55,160
guys from the Roosevelt that had their

571
00:24:00,340 --> 00:23:58,100
encounters on the East Coast where we're

572
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:00,350
trying to make those connections now in

573
00:24:05,740 --> 00:24:03,650
fact but no I have it so let's talk

574
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,750
about the this possibility that it could

575
00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:08,240
be some type of phantom technology to

576
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,110
dupe a radar system there was a big

577
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:13,760
article on the drive if you saw this

578
00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:15,890
about this Nemesis project are you

579
00:24:21,550 --> 00:24:19,460
familiar with that when did that article

580
00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:21,560
come out with only only a couple months

581
00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:24,260
ago I don't know if I've seen that one

582
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:26,030
yet I'm gonna go back and see if I can

583
00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:27,530
find her cuz that name does it that name

584
00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:34,419
so I'll read you a short blurb from it

585
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,049
the Navy has been developing and

586
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:37,760
integrating multiple types of unmanned

587
00:24:43,049 --> 00:24:40,480
vehicles shipboard and submarine systems

588
00:24:46,509 --> 00:24:43,059
countermeasures in electronic warfare

589
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:46,519
payloads and communication technologies

590
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:49,010
to give it the ability to project what

591
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:53,289
is in essence phantom fleets of aircraft

592
00:25:02,639 --> 00:24:58,159
ships and submarines that definitely

593
00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:02,649
describes what we saw I have to tell you

594
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:07,880
the only the only art part of that

595
00:25:11,889 --> 00:25:09,710
theory that maybe I might have an issue

596
00:25:13,690 --> 00:25:11,899
with is the fact that several air crews

597
00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:13,700
actually saw these objects with their

598
00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:17,809
own eyeballs so I'm not sure how you

599
00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:19,190
would do that part I'm not sure how you

600
00:25:23,289 --> 00:25:21,230
trick the human eyeball like I can

601
00:25:24,909 --> 00:25:23,299
understand he sees them the systems and

602
00:25:27,549 --> 00:25:24,919
the radar and stuff in fact when this

603
00:25:29,139 --> 00:25:27,559
all happened we were concerned that we

604
00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:29,149
actually had something like that going

605
00:25:34,210 --> 00:25:31,940
on and there was a some system

606
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,220
malfunction so the the technicians on

607
00:25:37,779 --> 00:25:35,600
board the person we brought down all of

608
00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:37,789
our computers brought down the radar ran

609
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:39,470
a bunch of Diagnostics tests and brought

610
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:41,809
everything back up and when it was all

611
00:25:47,470 --> 00:25:44,240
done these objects were even uh came in

612
00:25:50,769 --> 00:25:47,480
even stronger than they were before were

613
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:50,779
you aware that apparently everybody on

614
00:25:57,009 --> 00:25:54,080
board the Hawkeye saw it with their own

615
00:26:01,389 --> 00:25:57,019
eyes when it happened I wasn't that I am

616
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:01,399
now today for this firm yeah some other

617
00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:03,769
people that have come out recently so I

618
00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:06,139
guess it flew right it flew right past

619
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:09,830
their airframe correct so would that put

620
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:12,110
it at approximately 11 the people who

621
00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:13,730
saw it with their own eyes if you've got

622
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,000
the three fighter jets and the fight

623
00:26:20,409 --> 00:26:20,000
people on the Hawkeye what's the

624
00:26:22,269 --> 00:26:20,419
question

625
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:22,279
put it with as far as how many people

626
00:26:25,509 --> 00:26:24,710
have actually claimed to it yes now with

627
00:26:27,730 --> 00:26:25,519
their own eyes

628
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:27,740
that's probably a good count who's

629
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:33,010
righted right in that neighborhood and I

630
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:34,940
think that you said in the prior

631
00:26:41,740 --> 00:26:36,529
interview that you believe that other

632
00:26:43,869 --> 00:26:41,750
f-18s encountered them also after the

633
00:26:45,159 --> 00:26:43,879
erosion yeah cuz commander

634
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:45,169
favorite lawn she was up doing his

635
00:26:48,639 --> 00:26:46,849
functional check flight to make sure his

636
00:26:50,529 --> 00:26:48,649
aircraft was working properly and behind

637
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:50,539
him a bunch of other aircraft launched

638
00:26:54,669 --> 00:26:52,849
and there was that there was one point

639
00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:54,679
in time when there were several

640
00:26:59,739 --> 00:26:56,769
intercepts going on to these objects and

641
00:27:03,699 --> 00:26:59,749
at one point Jim it was actually seem to

642
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:03,709
me as like a reign in UFOs there as soon

643
00:27:07,869 --> 00:27:05,329
as the air crews got close to it they

644
00:27:09,369 --> 00:27:07,879
would fall out from 28,000 feet go down

645
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:09,379
to the surface of the water and when the

646
00:27:13,869 --> 00:27:10,639
air crew left they would go straight

647
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:13,879
back up to 20,000 feet rejoining a loose

648
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:15,769
formation and they kept track himself

649
00:27:19,689 --> 00:27:17,569
that 100 knots as if nothing fun had

650
00:27:22,919 --> 00:27:19,699
just happened but it didn't seem to me

651
00:27:25,930 --> 00:27:22,929
that flavor or any of the other pilots

652
00:27:29,859 --> 00:27:25,940
described observing more than one at a

653
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:29,869
time yeah because when we when we vector

654
00:27:35,169 --> 00:27:30,559
them

655
00:27:37,930 --> 00:27:35,179
it's just possible they they didn't see

656
00:27:39,849 --> 00:27:37,940
the other ones mm-hm and what do you

657
00:27:41,709 --> 00:27:39,859
make of the whole thing of of what what

658
00:27:44,649 --> 00:27:41,719
flavor saw as far as the disturbance in

659
00:27:49,959 --> 00:27:44,659
the water that is that's fascinating to

660
00:27:51,879 --> 00:27:49,969
me whatever this object was it it seemed

661
00:27:53,949 --> 00:27:51,889
to according to framers testimony and I

662
00:27:57,579 --> 00:27:53,959
believe him one of the best damn Navy

663
00:27:58,989 --> 00:27:57,589
pilots ever produced by the Navy this

664
00:28:02,589 --> 00:27:58,999
object seemed to be interested in

665
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:02,599
something something making a froth in

666
00:28:05,589 --> 00:28:04,129
the water or reverse of ice so maybe

667
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:05,599
that frothy thing the water was

668
00:28:09,549 --> 00:28:08,690
interested in the in the UAP in other

669
00:28:12,099 --> 00:28:09,559
words it could have been something

670
00:28:13,869 --> 00:28:12,109
simple like marine life of some kind and

671
00:28:16,089 --> 00:28:13,879
hell it was just as interested in the

672
00:28:18,609 --> 00:28:16,099
you AP as we were because they saw it

673
00:28:20,469 --> 00:28:18,619
yeah I mean they do have the beneficiary

674
00:28:23,049 --> 00:28:20,479
or something we do have the report that

675
00:28:25,719 --> 00:28:23,059
the submarine that was in the area did

676
00:28:26,639 --> 00:28:25,729
not detect anything correct that's my

677
00:28:31,899 --> 00:28:26,649
understanding as well

678
00:28:34,089 --> 00:28:31,909
no detections were made so let's talk

679
00:28:38,919 --> 00:28:34,099
about a little bit about your time since

680
00:28:42,849 --> 00:28:38,929
then and what you're up to now and if we

681
00:28:44,529 --> 00:28:42,859
mentioned underwater life I know you've

682
00:28:47,289 --> 00:28:44,539
got a project now and in reading about

683
00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:47,299
it you're referring to whales and so

684
00:28:51,219 --> 00:28:49,190
forth so tell us tell us what you're up

685
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:51,229
to now I can kind of provide some

686
00:28:56,649 --> 00:28:53,929
context to that whole thing when I

687
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:56,659
transferred off the person and early

688
00:29:00,820 --> 00:28:57,770
late 2004

689
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,830
2005 I went to my final duty station I

690
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:02,960
was planning on retiring and that my new

691
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:06,410
dating station a commander Naval Air you

692
00:29:11,950 --> 00:29:08,570
know the the air boss for the for the

693
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:11,960
Navy I was on his staff and I tried to I

694
00:29:17,050 --> 00:29:15,050
tried to tell people about it and people

695
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:17,060
either a didn't believe me or B they

696
00:29:21,580 --> 00:29:18,770
weren't curious about it and it really

697
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:21,590
it really concerned me so I didn't know

698
00:29:24,670 --> 00:29:22,970
what the hell to do so I retired from

699
00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:24,680
the Navy and my concerns actually

700
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:26,680
started to manifest into nightmares

701
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:28,820
because it really really bugged me I

702
00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:30,290
didn't know what to do Jim so I what I

703
00:29:34,660 --> 00:29:32,390
decided to finally do I was gonna try to

704
00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:34,670
do some positive with it so I sat down

705
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:37,790
and I wrote a short story based on the

706
00:29:43,030 --> 00:29:39,530
tick-tack encounters and I call it the

707
00:29:44,830 --> 00:29:43,040
seer is totally fictional and I did that

708
00:29:46,930 --> 00:29:44,840
on purpose to protect people still in

709
00:29:48,670 --> 00:29:46,940
uniform and everything and I wrote a

710
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:48,680
couple of other short stories and I put

711
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:50,210
them all into a book and I published it

712
00:29:58,180 --> 00:29:52,550
in the Library of Congress and what year

713
00:30:02,200 --> 00:29:58,190
was that that was early 2009 so so uh

714
00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:02,210
for about four years afterwards but but

715
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:04,160
this wood was weighing on you during

716
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:08,990
this entire period yeah is it fair to

717
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:11,090
say that that sorry is it fair to say

718
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:14,410
that during that period in your mind

719
00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:16,450
these things were probably

720
00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:20,630
extraterrestrial I like to use I like to

721
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:23,030
say they were non-newtonian because I

722
00:30:28,450 --> 00:30:25,910
think that's close through that what I

723
00:30:32,590 --> 00:30:28,460
can honestly state because in other

724
00:30:33,610 --> 00:30:32,600
words it's possible it's both its

725
00:30:35,290 --> 00:30:33,620
non-newtonian but it's not

726
00:30:38,590 --> 00:30:35,300
extraterrestrial maybe it's something

727
00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:38,600
quite terrestrial we just don't know in

728
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:40,190
other words it doesn't necessarily have

729
00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:43,070
to be aliens quote-unquote yeah but are

730
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:44,630
you to be having I guess my question is

731
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:46,310
for you to be having nightmares about it

732
00:30:53,290 --> 00:30:50,960
etcetera describe the nightmares and why

733
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:53,300
you think you are having these I started

734
00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:55,310
having out of the blue as eschatological

735
00:30:59,980 --> 00:30:57,260
type dreams like end of the world type

736
00:31:04,270 --> 00:30:59,990
disaster dreams comets impacting the

737
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:04,280
ocean humongous tsunamis forest fires

738
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:07,850
earthquakes just all kinds of crazy

739
00:31:11,740 --> 00:31:11,120
stuff and you know when you have

740
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:11,750
nightmares we

741
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,770
have nightmares the nightmares

742
00:31:17,650 --> 00:31:14,480
themselves didn't bug me but remember

743
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:17,660
him in the daytime later did because it

744
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:19,850
would just bring back the whole thing

745
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:22,250
and it would kind of cause like a

746
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:26,330
flashback effect and do you think that

747
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,090
that could be because deep down you did

748
00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:31,760
believe it was extraterrestrial I think

749
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:33,380
that's I think you hit the nail on the

750
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:34,910
head for me personally but this is my

751
00:31:40,570 --> 00:31:36,850
personal feeling I have no evidence

752
00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:40,580
right and support that other than any

753
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:46,100
more than what you might and since then

754
00:31:52,450 --> 00:31:48,650
have you done a lot more of your own

755
00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:52,460
digging and research etc on you a piece

756
00:31:58,060 --> 00:31:56,120
yeah I'd kind of moved on in life I need

757
00:32:00,880 --> 00:31:58,070
up coming back to my hometown in cave

758
00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:00,890
junction Oregon and ended up buying a

759
00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:03,500
small farm and I started volunteering

760
00:32:06,670 --> 00:32:05,150
down at the local golf course cuz I

761
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,680
heard it was happy was struggling it was

762
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:08,000
getting ready to foreclose and I was

763
00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:11,030
like no not on my watch I got time i'ma

764
00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:13,820
go down there and volunteer so that's

765
00:32:18,370 --> 00:32:15,500
what I was doing I had just reopened the

766
00:32:20,830 --> 00:32:18,380
kitchen and about two years ago now this

767
00:32:22,090 --> 00:32:20,840
the for some reason normal we're

768
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:22,100
watching golf at the golf course

769
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:24,410
CNN happened to be on and also her

770
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,210
Scamander favor talk about the Tic Tac

771
00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:29,120
encounter and I was so damn shocked Jim

772
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:31,190
I dropped the plate of flute food on the

773
00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:32,630
ground and immediately went home and got

774
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:35,270
on the internet and I got a gentleman

775
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:37,490
from the scientific coalition of us

776
00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:40,010
follow his name's Robert Powell I don't

777
00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:41,630
know how he had done it so quickly but

778
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:43,790
he actually had a youtube video up on it

779
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:46,910
from the CNN story and I got on the chat

780
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:48,770
box and I said hey you need to contact

781
00:32:53,290 --> 00:32:50,690
me because I'm the guy that found him

782
00:32:55,090 --> 00:32:53,300
and I'm the one son of mine radar and

783
00:32:58,090 --> 00:32:55,100
here's my stuff contact me and he did

784
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,100
right away one thing led to another and

785
00:33:01,690 --> 00:32:59,600
I ended up getting pulled into a

786
00:33:04,090 --> 00:33:01,700
Facebook group and now a lot of those

787
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:04,100
members on our Facebook group we've the

788
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:06,050
results of it what's happening now is we

789
00:33:12,580 --> 00:33:07,850
actually formed a nonprofit organization

790
00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:12,590
called UAP expeditions and we've got

791
00:33:16,210 --> 00:33:14,030
some pretty that could read through the

792
00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:16,220
list here we've got a pretty top-notch

793
00:33:21,610 --> 00:33:18,350
crew of scientists that have all

794
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:21,620
volunteered we're gonna we're gonna

795
00:33:25,539 --> 00:33:23,450
excuse me we're gonna charter two

796
00:33:27,009 --> 00:33:25,549
research vessels

797
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:27,019
down to San Diego we're gonna anchor one

798
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:28,850
off San Clemente Island and one's going

799
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:31,369
to be underway and in addition to that

800
00:33:35,529 --> 00:33:33,830
we've got a bunch of cutting-edge

801
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:35,539
high-tech equipment we're taking with

802
00:33:40,239 --> 00:33:39,200
this and the idea behind it is we're

803
00:33:41,499 --> 00:33:40,249
going to go back there about the same

804
00:33:45,789 --> 00:33:41,509
time of year it's planned for December

805
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:45,799
of 2020 and we hope to find these things

806
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:49,369
again and we hope to collect scientific

807
00:33:53,729 --> 00:33:51,769
data in a bunch of different types of

808
00:33:55,659 --> 00:33:53,739
modalities it's gonna be unassailable

809
00:33:57,369 --> 00:33:55,669
because you have the you're gonna have

810
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:57,379
the eyewitness accounts from scientists

811
00:34:03,399 --> 00:33:59,210
backed up by data that we're gonna

812
00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:03,409
collect just because we have a theory

813
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:06,350
Jim we brute we all of us believer we

814
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:09,049
wouldn't be doing this that these things

815
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:11,960
are they're findable they're observable

816
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:15,530
and they're also probably knowable and

817
00:34:19,149 --> 00:34:17,929
we all know we could be wrong and if it

818
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:19,159
turns out we're wrong then that's the

819
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:20,950
answer we're not afraid of being wrong I

820
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:24,079
just don't think that we are I will find

821
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:27,530
something and describe the technology

822
00:34:32,619 --> 00:34:30,250
that you guys will be using to find them

823
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:32,629
okay I'm gonna read you a list of some

824
00:34:40,899 --> 00:34:35,599
of the stuff we got here there's pretty

825
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:40,909
cool stuff actually that's something

826
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:43,730
called a photodiode photodiode

827
00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:45,290
binoculars and what that does is it

828
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:47,629
turns images into sound and then back

829
00:34:51,069 --> 00:34:48,889
again in other words it's kind of a

830
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,079
night vision thing I pointed up this guy

831
00:34:54,789 --> 00:34:52,639
look at a commercial airliner with it

832
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:54,799
and it'll turn that image into a sound

833
00:34:59,319 --> 00:34:57,530
file and then I can take that sound file

834
00:35:01,059 --> 00:34:59,329
and turn it back into an image I'll talk

835
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:01,069
a little bit more about that later we've

836
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:05,420
got some of the almost military-grade

837
00:35:10,299 --> 00:35:08,150
night-vision stuff binoculars were taken

838
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:10,309
we've got a system called UAP DAP

839
00:35:15,970 --> 00:35:14,049
it's a UAV that acquisition program

840
00:35:17,859 --> 00:35:15,980
christopher all brian and his groups

841
00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:17,869
doing that and that's a piece of gear

842
00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:20,660
specifically designed using ir

843
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:22,940
technologies to detect track and record

844
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:26,660
UAP activities we're taking a neutrino

845
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:29,359
detector that's with Professor Kevin

846
00:35:32,589 --> 00:35:31,910
Kenneth out of the Cu NY in Albany New

847
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:32,599
York

848
00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:35,230
that's his gear of course we'll have a

849
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:37,369
magnetometers onboard with all kinds of

850
00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:39,650
various video cameras

851
00:35:45,010 --> 00:35:43,070
we'll have thermal cameras we have a

852
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,020
system that's under construction right

853
00:35:48,670 --> 00:35:46,880
now it's called a light wave transmitter

854
00:35:51,220 --> 00:35:48,680
that's David Mason he's an inventor

855
00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:51,230
engineer he's bringing in that toilet

856
00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:53,240
then we're bringing out several

857
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:54,590
different telescopes

858
00:36:00,730 --> 00:35:56,750
we've got giant binoculars we've got

859
00:36:02,859 --> 00:36:00,740
night night vision photodiodes that

860
00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:02,869
we're bringing we're bringing a system

861
00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:06,680
called it's called a long wave IR system

862
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:09,640
there's also it basically it turns a

863
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:14,480
modulated long way ir into sound RF

864
00:36:20,050 --> 00:36:16,850
spectrum analyzers oscilloscopes long

865
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:20,060
period antennas digital AV recorders and

866
00:36:25,330 --> 00:36:22,490
that we're taking along an h2o bubble

867
00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:25,340
chamber mobile chain chamber excuse me

868
00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:30,080
may I suggest this wing is I I suggest

869
00:36:34,780 --> 00:36:32,660
you suggest you not announce when you

870
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:34,790
guys are going to be there because if

871
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:38,240
this is us technology the military may

872
00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:47,650
they may indeed or they may be maybe you

873
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:50,619
were the the group they want us you know

874
00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:55,010
I think I think whoever they is they

875
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,390
want me to do what I'm doing

876
00:37:01,120 --> 00:36:59,119
can you still hear me I got a up missing

877
00:37:03,790 --> 00:37:01,130
out on the screen yeah I heard the

878
00:37:07,930 --> 00:37:03,800
reason why I say that back back in 2015

879
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:07,940
I had been up when I first backed her

880
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:09,380
sudden we're gonna be had become an

881
00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:11,570
obsessed with fun and going back and

882
00:37:15,099 --> 00:37:13,070
exploring the old mining claim that my

883
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:15,109
family had had and I've actually found

884
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:17,690
the mother lode but that's a whole

885
00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:20,450
nother story anyway um see the mother

886
00:37:24,670 --> 00:37:22,430
lode meeting meeting a lot of gold or

887
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,680
what yeah I found a huge gold deposit oh

888
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:27,680
my you can't I can't umm no in our

889
00:37:30,849 --> 00:37:29,180
family ever wants to mine it in fact we

890
00:37:32,050 --> 00:37:30,859
probably never could it's right in the

891
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,060
middle of the wilderness and it's a

892
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:33,680
hundred and fifty four million year old

893
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:38,260
sea bottom thermal smoker you know those

894
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:41,210
those black smokers you see on some of

895
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:42,530
the History Channel and Discovery

896
00:37:46,359 --> 00:37:44,510
Channel programs on the bottom of the

897
00:37:48,849 --> 00:37:46,369
ocean and we have an extinct camp the

898
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:48,859
hydrothermal vents that laid down a huge

899
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:52,910
mineral deposit that my family had

900
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:55,310
my 'end use a water giants back in the

901
00:37:59,920 --> 00:37:57,710
1930s Wow crazy

902
00:38:01,680 --> 00:37:59,930
we have no gonna do that again it's just

903
00:38:04,540 --> 00:38:01,690
sitting back there and I don't back for

904
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:04,550
problem back to the government anyway I

905
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:06,110
came back I came out of the wilderness

906
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:09,410
and I thought it was at the time I

907
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:10,850
thought was happenstance but I went over

908
00:38:14,260 --> 00:38:12,290
to a friend's house who was helping us

909
00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:14,270
with supplies on logistics while we were

910
00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:16,870
up there and there was two guys ER and

911
00:38:22,090 --> 00:38:18,950
the next day they show up at my house

912
00:38:24,190 --> 00:38:22,100
and it comes out that they had purposely

913
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:24,200
sucked me out because they were from the

914
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:25,250
government quote unquote

915
00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:27,410
and they had seen my research on the

916
00:38:31,390 --> 00:38:29,660
mine online and they wanted to Train

917
00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:31,400
special forces back there in the canyon

918
00:38:34,570 --> 00:38:33,140
cuz it's so damned rugged and they

919
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,580
wanted my cousin and I had to take him

920
00:38:40,810 --> 00:38:37,280
back out there so already suspicious I

921
00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:40,820
thought their story BS from the start my

922
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:42,680
cousin and myself and a couple of our

923
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:44,950
friends went took them back up there and

924
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:49,310
I think it was just a cover story Jim I

925
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:51,110
really do I think I think their real

926
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:53,750
purpose in Lou Elizondo actually confirm

927
00:39:00,450 --> 00:38:57,710
this to me later on I think their real

928
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:00,460
purpose was to ascertain my mental state

929
00:39:05,890 --> 00:39:03,920
so they could they could make a

930
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:05,900
determination how useful I was gonna be

931
00:39:09,970 --> 00:39:07,850
when this story came out because

932
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:09,980
although they never have told me why

933
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,040
they were there they had left me enough

934
00:39:20,590 --> 00:39:15,920
hints that later on was able to figure

935
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:20,600
it out in fact the the leader in fact

936
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:21,530
the other guy Forrest

937
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:25,010
you called him Chaka tag and called him

938
00:39:29,350 --> 00:39:27,710
boss so I figured he must be the boss he

939
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:29,360
looks at me right in the eye right

940
00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:30,650
before he left last time I ever talked

941
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:33,590
to me say and he started crying then got

942
00:39:37,870 --> 00:39:35,290
really emotional else and he said Kevin

943
00:39:41,470 --> 00:39:37,880
you are incredibly important to what's

944
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:41,480
about to happen and Jim I gotta tell you

945
00:39:45,490 --> 00:39:43,130
man I thought these guys were nuts I

946
00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:45,500
didn't know what to make of it so I just

947
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,540
kind of brushed it off as more weird and

948
00:39:53,110 --> 00:39:49,760
I went on but now that all this has

949
00:39:55,150 --> 00:39:53,120
happened I understand why they why they

950
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:55,160
came to see me I understand totally no

951
00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:57,140
in fact well Lou elevado came to

952
00:40:01,900 --> 00:39:59,690
interview me here at my house and when

953
00:40:03,970 --> 00:40:01,910
Tom DeLonge again came and met them I

954
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:03,980
asked him I said do you know those guys

955
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:06,170
and he the only thing I could get out he

956
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,730
was like yeah

957
00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:08,800
have exchanged emails with him kind of

958
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:10,900
winked at me a little bit in didn't

959
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:12,970
really I couldn't get no more out of him

960
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:15,670
out other than that so long story short

961
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,970
he was being seriously Elizondo sorry

962
00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:21,040
Elizondo saying that he was being

963
00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:23,350
serious that yes I know the guy who came

964
00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:27,550
to visit you yeah he said he had

965
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:29,470
exchanged emails with him quoted me

966
00:40:33,930 --> 00:40:31,930
precisely what he said so please don't

967
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:33,940
allow that Jim you know we're sorry one

968
00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:34,930
last question about that

969
00:40:40,290 --> 00:40:36,670
what what what provision of the military

970
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,300
were there from these two guys they

971
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:42,880
never said and I never asked him I knew

972
00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:45,550
they wouldn't tell me anyway but it was

973
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:51,220
military as opposed to it generally I'm

974
00:40:54,030 --> 00:40:52,630
making an assumption it was military

975
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:54,040
because they wanted to say wanted to

976
00:41:00,359 --> 00:40:55,690
train special forces so it had to been

977
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:00,369
something made it to the military but

978
00:41:05,099 --> 00:41:03,490
you know based on all that in the fact

979
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:05,109
that no one's knocked on my door and

980
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:06,550
said hey Kevin and we love you man but

981
00:41:10,590 --> 00:41:09,010
you got to shut up about this and you

982
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:10,600
know I would Jim if that if that

983
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:12,730
happened I would I'm a patriot you know

984
00:41:17,099 --> 00:41:15,190
I'm a huge defender of our national

985
00:41:19,770 --> 00:41:17,109
security apparatus and the last thing I

986
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:19,780
want to do is get us in trouble here but

987
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,250
none of that's happened in fact just the

988
00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:23,680
opposite I think I've been encouraged to

989
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:26,470
come out and talk about this and that's

990
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:28,450
why I think the government plans to

991
00:41:34,859 --> 00:41:31,320
leave are you ap expeditions alone I

992
00:41:38,849 --> 00:41:34,869
could be wrong but that's just that's

993
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,859
what I believe mm-hmm well again the

994
00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:41,200
reason we've been chosen to break this

995
00:41:46,859 --> 00:41:44,140
out you know but again we don't know

996
00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:46,869
what you're breaking out you know is

997
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:49,780
this the beginning of the law we don't

998
00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:53,170
we could yeah it could be preparing for

999
00:41:58,859 --> 00:41:55,720
the US government to disclose this

1000
00:42:03,440 --> 00:41:58,869
secret technology that it has had for

1001
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,220
certainly could be I can't I can't

1002
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:10,500
disagree with your logic on that either

1003
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:14,730
yeah it's probably what I think in fact

1004
00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:17,890
so that that's what you lean to at this

1005
00:42:22,109 --> 00:42:20,230
point based on having all the

1006
00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:22,119
years behind you now is that it's more

1007
00:42:31,859 --> 00:42:28,750
likely than not us technology yeah

1008
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:31,869
that's what I have to lean towards I do

1009
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:34,030
now where the hell that came from that's

1010
00:42:37,470 --> 00:42:36,220
there that's another question how long

1011
00:42:40,859 --> 00:42:37,480
we've had it that's another question

1012
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:40,869
because you know for the last 70 years

1013
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:42,570
now

1014
00:42:48,810 --> 00:42:45,910
certainly there's better incidents with

1015
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:48,820
other people that describe pretty much

1016
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:52,060
what we saw so if their stories are also

1017
00:42:58,319 --> 00:42:54,130
true than that how old does that make

1018
00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:58,329
this technology now yeah there's

1019
00:43:02,130 --> 00:42:59,950
certainly it's certainly best way I need

1020
00:43:04,349 --> 00:43:02,140
it's a confusing question yeah I

1021
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:04,359
certainly been studied for decades right

1022
00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:07,690
this gravity-defying technology like no

1023
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:11,380
magnetic fields etc you know the stuff

1024
00:43:22,859 --> 00:43:12,730
that's described in that Navy patent

1025
00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:22,869
essentially right so well a big question

1026
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,720
I had was how could we possibly kept

1027
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:28,240
something like this secret for so long

1028
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:30,970
it just didn't seem like that's possible

1029
00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:33,220
but in talking to some experts they said

1030
00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:34,990
well it's there's been in a number of

1031
00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:36,940
examples of the us keeping technology

1032
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:41,740
truly secret for decades and and until

1033
00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:43,630
recently maybe they weren't concerned

1034
00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:47,500
about because everyone didn't have a

1035
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:50,200
cellphone for all those years and there

1036
00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:51,940
there wasn't phased array radars and

1037
00:43:57,870 --> 00:43:55,540
there wasn't you ap did data acquisition

1038
00:44:00,000 --> 00:43:57,880
type there was an night-vision goggles

1039
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:00,010
of concern but images into sound and

1040
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:03,730
back again maybe it's a function of they

1041
00:44:06,809 --> 00:44:05,260
realized no but because of techno

1042
00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:06,819
technology they're not going to be able

1043
00:44:12,059 --> 00:44:09,220
to hide it any longer

1044
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,069
I mentioned whales tell me about whales

1045
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:14,560
and how they play into what this

1046
00:44:19,890 --> 00:44:17,650
expedition guys going on well that goes

1047
00:44:21,930 --> 00:44:19,900
back on it it goes back on it's just a

1048
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:21,940
research question though since for their

1049
00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:24,250
we're gonna explore it based on the be

1050
00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:26,140
it goes back to the behavior of these

1051
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:29,560
things like commander favors testimony

1052
00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:31,089
that something in the water was

1053
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:33,700
interested in the UAP and or the us

1054
00:44:38,070 --> 00:44:35,290
was interested in something in the water

1055
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:38,080
and just the basic behavior of these

1056
00:44:44,010 --> 00:44:40,270
objects they were definitely non-hostile

1057
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:44,020
non-aggressive behaved like a flock of

1058
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:48,010
birds so we're at least gonna ask the

1059
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,230
question okay are they are they

1060
00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:52,240
interested interested in something in

1061
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:54,190
the water and if they are what is it

1062
00:44:59,070 --> 00:44:57,490
what the hell is it so one of the things

1063
00:45:01,110 --> 00:44:59,080
we intend to do is we tend to get on

1064
00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:01,120
station and broadcast will songs into

1065
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:07,240
the sky broadcast images of whales into

1066
00:45:15,350 --> 00:45:12,970
the sky and just see if it Ana fests the

1067
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:15,360
appearance have you a key essentially

1068
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:18,070
all of adds just a research question and

1069
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:21,130
again we could all that I presume would

1070
00:45:24,660 --> 00:45:23,050
be more leaning in the in the direction

1071
00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:24,670
of the possibility that these things are

1072
00:45:28,830 --> 00:45:26,350
extraterrestrial because it wouldn't

1073
00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:28,840
make sense that the US military cares

1074
00:45:35,370 --> 00:45:33,460
about whales you wouldn't think no I

1075
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:35,380
think you're right I can't I can are you

1076
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:40,570
with your logic cool let me ask Michael

1077
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since he's I don't know if you know this

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but Michael used to host a show where he

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did some very deep dives into UFO so

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he's quite the expert did you have any

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follow-up questions performs make sure

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you bring it Michael just one question

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Jim and I were talking about this

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earlier based upon what some other folks

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00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:03,280
have discussed and this idea that these

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00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:08,800
two men took the drives well for men to

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00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:11,350
off of each ship would it be possible

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00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:14,590
that those men were on the ship before

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00:46:19,350 --> 00:46:16,870
this even happened and because there's

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so many people on these boats five to

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six thousand people that they could have

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just been sequestered in their quarters

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somewhere and if so you would think that

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possibly there would be ships logs that

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00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:30,160
would show who was coming and going from

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those those boats in a case that person

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I would say no it that would be more

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00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:38,530
possible on the USS Nimitz

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00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:43,450
okay in fact there was a the HSL that

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00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:45,160
was on board the halo the halo debt was

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00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:47,510
on board the ship that we get a couple

1102
00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:49,940
helicopter supports on deployment anyway

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00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:52,760
that detachment was there and I've

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00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,140
actually spoken to one of the air

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00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:56,240
crewmen it actually was on the helo when

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00:46:59,830 --> 00:46:58,130
these guys came onboard the ship they

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00:47:01,570 --> 00:46:59,840
got off the aircraft they spent a little

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00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,580
bit of time on the ship and they they

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00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:03,200
got back on the helicopter went back to

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the Nimitz so at least in the case of

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00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:08,870
the Princeton assuming that his

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00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:12,380
testimonies accurate two gentlemen came

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00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:16,430
he took her data and they left Wow okay

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00:47:23,290 --> 00:47:19,370
thank you yeah we're gonna be talking to

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00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:23,300
more he's later today about that he

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00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:25,370
describes them as having been in plain

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00:47:29,590 --> 00:47:26,230
clothes

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00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:29,600
whereas PJ on the Nimitz says they were

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00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:35,690
in Air Force flight suits yeah two

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00:47:39,490 --> 00:47:38,060
different ships and they both my

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00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:39,500
shipmates are probably telling the truth

1122
00:47:42,340 --> 00:47:40,790
on that one I would have to think you

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00:47:44,410 --> 00:47:42,350
know yep you guys remember this was a

1124
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:44,420
long time ago to have 15 years so all

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00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:46,490
the memories are probably good or not

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00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:47,090
perfect

1127
00:47:52,510 --> 00:47:49,460
yeah but super interesting what P Jets

1128
00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:52,520
say that it was Air Force flight suits

1129
00:47:56,590 --> 00:47:55,220
which tends to put the pieces of this

1130
00:47:57,970 --> 00:47:56,600
puzzle together as far as this

1131
00:48:02,050 --> 00:47:57,980
possibility that it was Air Force

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00:48:05,470 --> 00:48:02,060
technology that was being tested I can't

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00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:05,480
deny I can't argue with your logic thank

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00:48:10,690 --> 00:48:07,910
you again to Kevin de for that interview

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next week we're gonna have Gary Voorhees

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who was also on the Princeton he tells

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00:48:18,070 --> 00:48:15,950
the story of how two men in plain

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00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,080
clothes landed aboard the ship on a

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00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:20,480
helicopter and then showed up in his

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00:48:26,260 --> 00:48:23,450
office minutes later to take recordings

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00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,270
of the incident from him he'll also

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00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:28,640
share with us his opinion as to what

1143
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:30,920
these things were so that's next week

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00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:34,970
Gary Voorhees also military veteran from

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00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:37,250
the Princeton at the time of the USS

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Nimitz incident thank you all for

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00:48:42,610 --> 00:48:41,150
listening to the hidden truth show thank

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00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:42,620
you to Michael Parker our producer we'll

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talk to you again next week

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thank you for listening at the hidden

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juried show with Jim Breslow

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00:48:59,340 --> 00:48:56,630
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